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Question<\/h3>\n
My question is about a woman being Imam in congregational Salah. I watched a video of Mr. Ghamidi recently and he mentioned that there was no Quranic verse or Hadeeth which specifically makes this an issue and declares its prohibition. With regards to that video, I would like your detailed response on the following issues: <\/p>\n
1. Mr. Ghamidi, in that video, gave example of Umm-e-Waraqah who had been made the “Imam of Masjid of Daar” i.e. she used to lead the people of a particular small area. He then quoted a recent scholar, Dr. Hameedullah, who proposes that she led both men and women especially considering the fact that the Mo’azzin was a man. Please give me a detailed account of the validity and authenticity of this narration (riwayat). Because, in a question answer response given by Mr. Saleh Al-Munajjid he writes: “With regard to the evidence presented by those who refer to the reports which say that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave Umm Waraqah permission to leed her household in prayer (narrated by Abu Dawood, 591), they say that she used to lead the people of her house in prayer, among whom were men and boys. The scholars have given several answers to that: <\/div>\n
The hadeeth is d\u0323aeef (weak). Al-Haafiz said in al-Talkhees (p. 121): Its isnaad includes Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Khallaad who is unknown.” End quote. <\/div>\n
2. Mr. Ghamidi gave example of a woman named Ghazzala in the Khwarij who led people in Salah. Please give me a detailed account of the validity and authenticity of this.<\/div>\n
3. Mr. Ghamidi gave example of Umm-e-Waraqah being appointed by Sayyidina Umar during his caliphate to watch over some state matters. Please could you give a detailed account of its authenticity? <\/div>\n
Some doubts regarding Imamat of woman that require clarification: <\/div>\n
1. I see that a large number of prominent scholars over the course of the history of Islam have unanimously agreed upon this issue that a woman cannot lead men in prayer. To give a few examples I can quote the following two (among many): <\/div>\n
Ibn Hazm said in Maraatib al-Ijmaa, p. 27 “They are unanimously agreed that a woman should not lead men in prayer when they know that she is a woman. If they do that then their prayer is invalid, according to scholarly consensus.” End quote. <\/div>\n
Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo (4\/152): “Our companions are agreed that it is not permissible for an adult man or a boy to pray behind a woman. The prohibition on a woman leading men in prayer applies equally to obligatory prayers, Taraweeh and all supererogatory prayers. This is our view and the view of all the scholars from the earlier and later generations (may Allaah have mercy on them). <\/div>\n
Al-Bayhaqi narrated this from the seven fuqaha the Taabi\u2019i fuqaha of Madeenah. It is also the view of Maalik, Abu Haneefah, Sufyaan, Ahmad and Dawood” End quote. <\/div>\n
My question is that is there any prominent scholar in the history of Islam who believed in the permissibility of a woman leading men in prayer? If not, then will it not surprising that throughout the history of Islam, no major scholar was able to figure out the permissibility? Does this not tend to imply that the correct interpretation of this matter is what the scholars have unanimously agreed upon? Please comment. <\/div>\n
2. We can only worship Allah by the specific ways given by Allah and by his Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), for example Allah asked us to establish salah, so now if someone says look Quran says establish prayer and I dance around saying see this is salah, will that be acceptable? Of course not! Because for that, one has to prove that dancing is Salah. One can’t say prove to me where the Quraan says I can’t dance around for praying? Actually its opposite. One has to prove that what he\/she is doing is some thing that is Ibadah, that this is something that is acceptable to Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala ….this is the general rule in fiqh. One can’t say prove to me where the Quraan or Sunnah says that woman can’t lead the prayer to men in Islam, in Islam you have to prove that you should do this, not prove that you can’t do it, its the other way round. Please comment. <\/div>\n
3. There are many ahadeeth, which state that the row of women must stand behind the row of men in congregational prayer. E.g. Muslim (440) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: The best rows for men are those are the front and the worst are those at the back, and the best rows for women are those at the back and the worst are those at the front. al-Bukhaari (684) and Muslim (421) narrated from Sahl ibn Saad al-Saaidi that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, Whoever notices anything amiss during the prayer, let him say tasbeeh, for if he does so it will be noticed; and clapping is only for women. Muslim (658) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik that he prayed behind the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and with him was his grandmother and an orphan. He said: “The orphan and I stood in a row behind him, and the old woman stood behind us.” If a woman is encouraged in a hadeeth to pray in her house and keep away from men, and the worst rows for women are the front rows, because they are closer to the men, then how can it be befitting for Islam to allow a woman to pray as an imam, leading men in prayer? Please comment. <\/div>\n
4. In the time of Prophet there were no rulings that are present today such as Mustahab, Makruh, Sunnat Muakkidah, Ghair Muakkidah etc. etc. These are our ulama who put ruling seeing the whole matter. So is it not enough to find the attitude of Prophet about a certain issue and then find the ruling of ulama (collectively) about the matter? <\/div>\n
5. Can we not make an analogy of this matter with that of slavery? Islam did not prohibit slavery but the general attitude of Islam and its followers eventually led to its elimination. Many things are implied in religion and the way I see it, Islam uses some fundamental things and their understanding to creates a character, a personality that can then relate everything in his life to those fundamental things and infer what would be the correct and wrong action (in other words, Islam makes the Fitrah (that was inherent inside a person) expressive in its most pure and uncorrupted form). I believe that Quran and Sunnah do not need to give a Haraam or Halaal ruling about everything that is Haraam and Halaal or am I wrong? They generate a character that can then very well judge new things on his own, in light of the fundamentals taught to him. Please comment.<\/div>\n
Answer<\/h3>\n
Before I comment on your questions and objections I would like to make something clear:<\/p>\n
It is definitely more in line with the norms of modesty that a man leads the prayer rather than a woman leading it (when there are men among the followers). The question however is whether we have anything in Sharia that forbids us from having a woman leading prayers for men. It is this aspect of the issue that Mr. Ghamidi has commented on.<\/div>\n
I will address some of the questions you raised and then will try to explain why I disagree with your approach to this issue.<\/div>\n
– – You asked how authentic the Hadith of Umme Waraqa was, in particular given the fact that you heard one of its narrators, Ibn Kallad, was unknown. <\/div>\n
While there are scholars that have considered the Hadith to be weak, there are many others who have considered it to be Hasan. These are Hakim, Zahabi, Daruqtuni, Abu Hatam, al-Ayni, ibn Hajar, Shukani and also the contemporary scholar Imam Albaani. The basis of these scholars for accepting this narration is generally the fact that ibn Khallad was considered trusted by ibn Haban and also the fact that other than ibn Khallad, the Hadith is narrated by Layli bint Malik as well.<\/div>\n
Allow me not to go into the details of the other two narrations you mentioned as I think that none of these narrations (including the above) are the main evidences for women leading prayers. These are only secondary evidences. The main evidence is the lack of prohibition in Sharia, as I will explain later. <\/div>\n
– – You asked if there have been any prominent scholars of the past who have permitted women leading prayers for men.<\/div>\n
The answer is Yes. Imam Tabari (as narrated by Sanayee, in Subul al-Salam) and the Shafe\u2019I scholars Abi Thur and al-Mazni (al-Majmu 4:52, al-Mughni 3:33, Bidaya al-Mujtahid 3:189) and Muhyeddin ibn al-Arabi (as reported by Muhammad Husain al-Jaberi in Bahth fi Imamah al-Mir\u2019ah Li-Rijaal) have allowed women leading prayers for men. Imam Ahmad and the early Hanbali scholars have allowed women leading prayers for men in non-obligatory prayers (al-Mughni 3:33, al-Insaaf 2:264).<\/div>\n
So as you can see although it is definitely correct to say that the vast majority of the past scholars did not allow women leading prayers for men, we cannot say that this was the consensus of the past scholars.<\/div>\n
Allow me now, as stated earlier, to explain why I disagree with your approach to this issue:<\/div>\n
You have assumed that women leading prayers is forbidden unless it can be proved otherwise. In your own words:<\/div>\n
\u201cOne has to prove that what he\/she is doing \u2026 is something that is acceptable to Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala ….this is the general rule in fiqh. One can’t say prove to me where the Quraan or Sunnah says that woman can’t lead the prayer to men in Islam , in Islam you have to prove that you should do this ,not prove that you can’t do it , its the other way round.\u201d<\/div>\n
Although I agree with the general rule you have stated about Ibadaat, I do not agree that this rule applies to the issue of women leading prayers. The above rule is about the internal elements of Ibadaat, not about the external ones. By internal I mean something that is included in the act of Ibadah, by external I mean something that relates to a condition that is outside of the act of Ibadah. I try to illustrate this with an example:<\/div>\n
A. I decide that instead of reading three Rak\u2019ah Maghrib prayer I want to read four! Obviously this is wrong. If I say well there is nothing there to say I cannot do it then you have every right to bring the above point to my attention. This is because the internal elements of Ibadaat is prescribed by the Almighty and I am in no position to fully understand the wisdom behind every element and therefore (unlike Mu\u2019amilaat \u2013 Transactions) I am in no position to allow myself changing any of it.<\/div>\n
B. You decide that you want to attend the prayer of Taraweeh where they finish the whole Qur\u2019an in one month. Now I know definitely that the prophet (pbuh) never did this and that even Umar (ra) did not mean for it to be the way that Muslims do it at present. However I cannot tell you that Taraweeh, the way it is done today, is Haram. This is simply because the addition or the change that has appeared here is not about one of the internal elements of prayer, but is about its external aspects\/elements.<\/div>\n
Likewise, women leading prayer for men is not changing anything from among the internal elements of prayer, this is about external elements. Therefore when we see there is a lack of prohibition in Sharia about this, we cannot call it Haram or Bid\u2019ah or against the Sharia.<\/div>\n
You wrote: <\/div>\n
\u201cI believe that Quran and Sunnah do not need to give a Haraam or Halaal ruling about everything that is Haraam and Halaal or am I wrong?\u201d<\/div>\n
You are right about the Halal part but I am afraid, in my view, you are wrong about the Haram one. The only source for declaring something Haram is the Sharia, that is, clear and authentic directives of the Almighty. Yes, when the Qur\u2019an says that something is Haram, it does not need to count all forms of that Haram thing in future. However we cannot just deduct rules based on our own analysis and assumption and then call something Haram, as this will be adding something out of our own opinion to the corpus of religion. <\/div>\n
At the end of your post you raised some issues that to me are secondary issues. For instance the fact that women are advised to stand behind men. First, this is not an absolute condition for prayer, it is a measure to prevent ill thoughts and maintain modesty, if you have gone to Hajj you have seen that in Masjid al-Haraam this cannot normally be implemented and no scholars there have stopped the prayers because of this. Second, you might be interested to know that Ibn Taymyah, when mentioning that fact that Imam Ahmad allowed women leading men in non-obligatory prayers, states that his condition for this was that the leading lady stands behind men (Majmu al-Fatawa 5:317).<\/div>\n
I think and I hope that I have covered the issues that you raised in your post although I might have not specifically referred to all of them. I again emphasize that no doubt, norms of modesty make it perfectly sensible to have men leading women in prayers. However this does not give us permission to announce ‘women leading men in prayers’ to be Haram.<\/div>\n
(Footnote: Recently I heard a video clip from Sheikh Hamza Yusuf where he said that Ibn Taymyah also allowed women leading men in prayers, but with some conditions. I haven\u2019t find this in Ibn Taymya\u2019s writings yet, so I cannot verify it, but overall it is interesting to hear Hamza Yusuf on this: http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=x45ysEfSuX0<\/a>)<\/div>\n