{"id":6696,"date":"2024-07-10T07:43:51","date_gmt":"2024-07-10T07:43:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/al-mawrid.org\/questions-en\/2024\/07\/10\/did-hazrat-ali-rta-and-other-imams-call-them-shii\/"},"modified":"2025-11-16T21:49:30","modified_gmt":"2025-11-16T16:49:30","slug":"did-hazrat-ali-rta-and-other-imams-call-them-shii","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/al-mawrid.org\/questions-en\/did-hazrat-ali-rta-and-other-imams-call-them-shii\/","title":{"rendered":"Did Hazrat Ali (rta) And Other Imams Call Them Shi&#8217;i?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>Question<\/h3>\n<p>If  Shi\u2018is are wrong in their beliefs according to sunnis then why did  their imams who were close relatives of Hazrat Ali (rta) lead them  (shi\u2018is)? Or in other words what did Shi\u2018a imams call themselves, sunni  or shi\u2018i? <\/p>\n<h3>Answer<\/h3>\n<p>First,  we need to understand our religion from the Qur&#8217;an. If we can find the  belief of Shia Muslims in the Qur&#8217;an then it is correct and if not, then  it cannot be correct. This is as simple as that. <\/p>\n<div>Second,  if we want to use this argument then nearly every belief or every sect  in Islam can be argued to be on the basis of correct premises. Shia  itself has been divided into tens of branches, some of which are  currently existing. The same question can be asked about all these sects  of Shia. The correct method of thinking however is to evaluate people  by their arguments rather than to evaluate arguments by looking at  people who have said them (this itself is an advice that is narrated  from Ali). <\/div>\n<div>Third,  if you look at the more reliable narrations from Ali, Hassan, Hussain,  Ali b. al-Hussain you do not find any explicit references to the core  Shia belief (as we know it today). If you look at the narrations from  Muhammad b. Ali and Jafar b. Muhammad you will find two types of  narrations from them. Those in which they deny any divine  status\/position and those in which (quite contrary), they consider  divine status\/position for each other. Technically speaking many of the  latter type of narrators can be proved to be unreliable and weak  according to the Shia books of Rijal. <\/div>\n<div>My  belief is that Shia Imams used to call themselves with the same title  that the Prophet (sws) used to call himself, that is, Muslim. <\/div>\n<div>Verse  22:78 considers this title to be fully satisfactory for us and my  belief is that the Shia Imams did not ignore this verse but were in fact  among the best who obeyed it. <\/div>\n<p><strong>Answered by:<\/strong> Farhad Shafti<\/p>\n<p><strong>Date:<\/strong> 2015-02-18<\/p>\n<button class=\"simplefavorite-button\" data-postid=\"6696\" data-siteid=\"1\" data-groupid=\"1\" data-favoritecount=\"0\" style=\"\">Favorite <i class=\"sf-icon-star-empty\"><\/i><\/button>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If  Shi\u2018is are wrong in their beliefs according to sunnis then why did  their imams who were close relatives of Hazrat Ali (rta) lead them  (shi\u2018is)? 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Can you tell me how different are there ways of praying? Why do certain people view their kalima to be wrong considering a small addition at the end? 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